Talk:Margaret Brown

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"unsinkable" conflict[edit]

There is a conflict in the article. At the start it says she wasn't referred to as 'unsinkable' until her death had happened, but in the section on the Titanic, it indicates that she was called 'unsinkable' for the rest of her life. --Peacenik 00:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's her being called "Molly" that was posthumous, not her being referred to as "unsinkable." Kostaki mou (talk) 18:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You know that comment was from 12 years ago, right? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 18:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So what?Kostaki mou (talk)
Just checked the text from that time. My comment would have been valid even then. Kostaki mou (talk) 18:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Petty Vandalism[edit]

In the second paragraph of 'Richs and Riches', there seems to be a bit of petty vandalism. Now I don't know what's supposed to be said (though I have an incling), so someone who does should fix that.

"1909 and 1914 she ran for Congress; she also assisted in poo poo shops Denver's Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception which was completed in 1912. " (Foxpen (talk) 06:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC))Reply[reply]


Wasn't Brown the first woman to run for U.S. Congress. The article on congress doesn't mention her, but I recall reading somewhere that she was the first woman to run for Congress, but didn't make it.--Wikiphilia 04:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


HOw does this article relate to WWI? Crisco 1492 00:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Brain cancer[edit]

The article says only that she died in her sleep, yet she's in a category for brain cancer. Did she have brain cancer? Was this the casue of her death? If so, the time that she died (while asleep) is irrelevant, since she died from brain cancer. Stearnsbrian (talk) 19:59, 16 December 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Catherine Brown's information[edit]

Catherine Ellen Brown ("Helen"), was born on July 1, 1889 , it states her husband lived from 1877 - 1907. But she was married on April 7, 1913. Something is amiss I believe... (talk) 19:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Why is there not much mentioned about her experience on the Titanic? I'm not saying it should be the major part of the bio but I do think it should be mentioned more than it was in this article. Does anyone have anything? If so please add it.

The article claims that "The 1997 movie Titanic...did not depict that Margaret Brown was the impetus for the return." As far as I can tell, the movie did clearly depict her causing the return. What's going on here, am I missing something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:34, 21 December 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Portrayed by a city in California?[edit]

It says she was portrayed by "Morgan Hill" in (1998) (Titanic: Secrets Revealed) (TV documentary), but the link goes to the page for Morgan Hill, CA. According to IMDB, that is the only thing Morgan Hill (actress) has done, which is likely why she doesn't have a wiki page. The article should not link to the city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No Consensus to move. Redirects will ensure readers find the correct article Mike Cline (talk) 20:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Margaret BrownMolly Brown – Per WP:CommonName, which makes no exception for accuracy. Molly, despite its lack of any historical basis, is far and away the best-known name thanks to Molly-named film portrayals of her by Debbie Reynolds and Kathy Bates.

Molly is the most famous Margaret Brown, Margaret Wise Brown is next, and none of the others are even a close third. Since Margaret Wise Brown is never referred to without all three names, "Margaret Brown" should be a redirect to Molly. If this gets done, I'll add a note added at the top directing readers to Margaret Wise Brown and the disambiguation page. 02:42, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Do not move Renaming a biography of someone to reflect a stage musical and a character from a movie is just silly and has no encyclopedic value. The nick name will redirect to the proper named article.--Amadscientist (talk) 04:19, 22 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:COMMONNAME is part of policy and, like I said up there, it makes no exception for accuracy. CityOfSilver 21:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Ran for Senate in 1909?[edit]

The article claims she ran for Senate in 1909. This is odd, since that wasn't an election year. Does anybody know what's up with that? —MiguelMunoz (talk) 22:03, 9 December 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

After a bit of checking, I learned that Colorado's Senators were Simon Guggenheim, who served a single six year term from 1907 to 1913, and Charles J. Hughes, Jr., who served part of one term, starting in 1909. (He died in office.) Could M. Brown have run against him in the 1908 election, for the term that began in 1909? I'm just speculating. If somebody knows, please fix this. Thanks. —MiguelMunoz (talk) 22:15, 9 December 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Margaret couldn't have run for the Senate in 1909. In those days senators were appointed by the state legislatures. Dave Gittins.

Actually, neither criticism holds up completely. First, there could have been an interim election in 1909. After the death of a senator, an interim election can be held to fill the term until the next regular election. Second, although the senators were technically appointed by the state legislators, most states at that time held popular elections for senator and the legislatures ratified the result by appointing the winner. Colorado probably did it this way because western states were far more "democratic" than those in the east. The Seventeenth Amendment, in effect in 1913, mostly just ratified the already existing practice. Will Major.

Arbitary move[edit]

Why has this article now been moved to a fictional character name never used by the subject person? And contrary to above discussion on this page? SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:26, 18 February 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It appears to have been moved back again (see the edit history). DoriTalkContribs 03:18, 19 February 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanx! SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unable to verify[edit]

The following was removed -- There is no evidence of a Carnegie Institute in NY (ever), or anywhere else in 1901; earliest (Established 1905): Carnegie Institute of Technology (CIT) at Pittsburgh. The only 'Carnegie' in NY is 'Carnegie Corporation of New York' (1911) and 'Carnegie Hall' (not a place where a "student enrolls").

See also: The Carnegie Confusion ~Eric F (talk) 21:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
However -- "[Carnegie] gave $2 million in 1901 to start the Carnegie Institute of Technology (CIT) at Pittsburgh" -- So, it was started in 1901, but not established until 1905. Was Ms. Brown in Pittsburgh, 1901? ~Eric F (talk) 23:08, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Questions for Clarity[edit]

The "Early life" section states after her separation with J.J., she received an allowance of $700 per month to continue her activities. The right sidebar (under her picture) states her salary (usually an annual figure) was $700. Which is correct? BJWhyte (talk) 19:22, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wedding church[edit]

Is there really a Church of the Annunciation in Leadville? The link is to the one in Denver, and I don't think that a brick church building has been relocated that far across the Colorado mountains. 2600:1004:B104:310B:59AE:4694:8B2E:837B (talk) 01:12, 29 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hey great artcle here are some articles that can help provide insight on how Mary Brown inspired various films [1][2]--Uoit lyons (talk) 17:52, 15 October 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Senate again in 1914?[edit]

(Sept 1, 2015) Article states she ran for Senate again in 1914, but there is no mention of an earlier run. That earlier run seems to have happened in 1901 (1902?).

Separation date of 1909 is dead wrong.[edit]

I'm looking at the Federal Census records of 1910. James J Brown was still living in the household as her husband. Both her children are living there as is Florence Tobin. Federal Census records cannot be argued with, except for minor details, unless they were flat out lying. Here is the source as cited on the webpage.

Source Citation
Year: 1910; Census Place: Denver Ward 10, Denver, Colorado; Roll: T624_116; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 0125; FHL microfilm: 1374129
Source Information 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Operations Inc, 2006.
Original data: Thirteenth Census of the United States, 1910 (NARA microfilm publication T624, 1,178 rolls). Records of the Bureau of the Census, Record Group 29. National Archives, Washington, D.C. For details on the contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA.

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